“I’m on a holiday. I’m there for the experience, right? But there are other people living their lives. My experience just intrudes in their lives, basically.” says Rutger, a Dutch man who visited Kyoto as a tourist. Rutger and (host) Kaho Koda visited Kyoto together back in 2018. And they still talk about that one evening in Kyoto where they had the same experience, yet very different interpretations of the event. In this episode we talk about Kyoto and tourism. First, we look at the foreign tourists’ experiences and then we take a look at the Japanese perspective.